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In another Internet forum, a member named Electra challenged my posts with some bizarre questions and false claims about what I had written. Here I present all her questions in RED and my replies.
From Post: Religion vs. Spiritual
Electra,
I think you have me confused with someone else. I cannot find any thread were you asked me anything. In fact, you write things that appear not relevant to the initial post. Here are some quotes from you.
Note: The Aquarian Gospel (AG) is not a Bible and was never mentioned in this post (Religion vs. Spiritual) by me.
From: Electra Sent: 1/28/2005 6:29 AM msg 7 (Religion vs. Spiritual)
Jesus also said that he would use the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. He put it in a best seller the Holy Bible, and never mentioned being found anywhere else. In fact, he said just the opposite. You wouldn't look for a toothbrush in your shoe would you? He pointed the way. Why not follow it.
Sometimes pride can be found in the most unexpected places, especially when by saying you see, you see not, and by knowing, you know not. If it were not so he would have told you, my brothers.
What any of this reply has to do with my post, Religion vs. Spiritual, is beyond me, except maybe it is a defense of Religion? Or could it be that you are upset because you believe that knowing is not possible? (She did not reply to this post.)
From: Electra Sent: 1/28/2005 7:19 AM msg 9 (ibid)
I think we do agree on one point. It has to be an individual journey. There is no such thing as heredity with God. If we are saved by God's grace not of works then it would follow that church attendance is a waste of time until the hand of God has reached your soul without interference from any man or organization.
You speak a truth here, except that no one needs to agree with you. It simply is so.
When talking about being born again, Jesus was speaking to a Rabbi who came out by himself outside the church walls, set aside his pride, and risked the chastisement of his peers to talk to Jesus. He had to lower himself, not raise himself to a higher consciousness.
Only a Higher State of the awareness of who Jesus was, allowed him to approach Jesus. Pride had nothing to do with it. Humbleness, willingness to learn, had everything to do with it.
But because he was unwilling to miss the truth, which is the second point we agree on, he was willing to take the risk, no matter the consequences.
Yes! Just like many of us here. Again, agreement is not needed.
Can someone show me something that is meaningful to this discussion?
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
From: Electra Sent: 1/29/2005 8:00 AM msg 15 (ibid)
y'all
What alternative wisdom source can you quote? Anyone can criticize. Let me hear something concrete, not just mud slinging at my truth. What does the AG Bible have to say, or Aristotle, or anybody?
If by AG you mean the Aquarian Gospel, it is not a Bible. If you wish to learn what it has to say, read it. What mud slinging are you talking about?
My point yesterday was, I saw Jesus being quoted several times as if he had some credibility. But then when I pointed out that if he wanted us to realize that truth is wherever you find it, he would have said so. But he said many many times just the opposite. No? It was a theme, not a church insert.
Who said Jesus wanted us to realize that truth is wherever you find it? Are you implying that Jesus said the truth is only between a few hundred pages of a book called the Bible, written long after his physical death?
I think thee doth protest too much.
If you are speaking to me, I protest nothing. It appears, however, that you are protesting my statements of truth. Maybe a different wording of the same would allow you to better understand the meaning.
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
From Post: The Most Dangerous of Deceptions (The Christine Church: Chapter 2)
Note: The Aquarian Gospel (AG) is not a Bible and was quoted in this post (The Most Dangerous of Deceptions) by me.
From: Electra Sent: 1/17/2005 2:17 PM msg 23
Ray,
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is the deceiver and an antichrist....So I'll just say good luck.
Electra
That is exactly what I stated about the Orthodox Christians. They claim Jesus was and is God. How then did he come in the flesh as a human? This was a later doctrine they added to cover their deceptions. They decided Jesus was both God and man. That God became man, not man becoming God like. This is at total variance with the Teachings of Jesus, who commanded us all to become perfect, as the Father-God is. Jesus prayed to God (to himself?).
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
From: Electra Sent: 1/31/2005 10:44 AM msg 29
Ray,
What it really boils down to Ray is: You don't believe the "Pauline Bible" is truth. And likewise, I don't see your AG Bible as truth. So we are at each other because we are both trying to save each other from eternal damnation. This is getting really weird.
I never stated any of these things, and it is not my Aquarian Gospel. Have you read the AG? Do you condemn it because someone told you so? Show me the parts of the text you find untrue.
The term you use, "Pauline Bible" is interesting. If you believe it is not of the Christ, but of Paul, why do you believe it? I also use quotes from the Bible to show the truth in the language of the Orthodox believers. Did you not read the opening post?
There is no eternal damnation, and I am NOT trying to save you from anything. My post points out the snares of those who would try and stop a beginning truth seeker from finding truth. The one thing that will keep a Truth Seeker on the path is the burning, unquenchable desire to KNOW and not just believe.
To help you further understand, please read this again, from the opening post:
Of course, Orthodox Christians hate the Aquarian Gospel because it removes their ability to worship the Bible, manipulate others, and feel saved.
Or maybe you would rather see me burn in hell, I don't know. Is it just me, or is this getting so ridiculous, it's funny.
Again, I don't know what you are talking about. No one will burn in hell. I only wish for you, Light, Love, and Freedom.
I asked you one time to say; Jesus is Lord, but I haven't heard you say it yet. Also I asked you to say; Jesus is the one and only anointed Christ and savior. You haven't answered me yet. It seems some of your friends could answer yes. Can you?
Again, are you talking to the right person? I have every post you have made to me, or possibly to me, quoted in this post. I can't find such a post anywhere. What do you mean by my friends? Are you testing me to see if I fit your Orthodox Christian view of what a true Christian is? My observation on that is clearly stated in my thread, Religion vs. Spiritual. Please see it.
That is the crux of my truth. And to teach anything else is steering them away from the One God, the only one true God that loves you. This isn't hate, it's passion for my Creator who happens to also love you, you big dope!!!!
I quote myself again:
They harp about the way to salvation, using the belief that God is Angry and will burn you if you don’t believe as they do. Believe as we do and be saved! This salvation, from an angry god that does not exist, is false. They claim to have a secret knowledge that you can have too if you only believe as they do and become their version of born again. Simply believe that Jesus did exist as the messiah and that Jesus really was his name, and that he died for your sins, was buried, and rose again. Presto! You’re born again! Now that you believe, send in your money! Put your hands on the TV screen and pray for healing! Help us beam this lie around the world! Send your money now!
I'll be back tomorrow to see if you put it in print, and no mincing words.
I'll hurry to meet your time schedule!
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the Anointed Messiah?
NO (I am beyond belief. I know this.)
Did he walk this earth with all truth or was he just another guy...
He was just another guy, who walked the earth with all truth.
...like anyone of us armchair philosophers?
Why do you think of yourself as an armchair philosopher? Do you not live your truth?
Let's talk about Jesus. Electra
It's all I talk about, Him and His teachings.
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
PLEASE WAKE UP!
Ray of the Light
MORE ORTHODOX QUESTIONS
In another Internet forum, a member named Electra challenged my posts with some bizarre questions and false claims about what I had written. Here I present all her questions in RED and my replies.
From Post: Religion vs. Spiritual
Electra,
I think you have me confused with someone else. I cannot find any thread were you asked me anything. In fact, you write things that appear not relevant to the initial post. Here are some quotes from you.
Note: The Aquarian Gospel (AG) is not a Bible and was never mentioned in this post (Religion vs. Spiritual) by me.
From: Electra Sent: 1/28/2005 6:29 AM msg 7 (Religion vs. Spiritual)
Jesus also said that he would use the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. He put it in a best seller the Holy Bible, and never mentioned being found anywhere else. In fact, he said just the opposite. You wouldn't look for a toothbrush in your shoe would you? He pointed the way. Why not follow it.
Sometimes pride can be found in the most unexpected places, especially when by saying you see, you see not, and by knowing, you know not. If it were not so he would have told you, my brothers.
What any of this reply has to do with my post, Religion vs. Spiritual, is beyond me, except maybe it is a defense of Religion? Or could it be that you are upset because you believe that knowing is not possible? (She did not reply to this post.)
From: Electra Sent: 1/28/2005 7:19 AM msg 9 (ibid)
I think we do agree on one point. It has to be an individual journey. There is no such thing as heredity with God. If we are saved by God's grace not of works then it would follow that church attendance is a waste of time until the hand of God has reached your soul without interference from any man or organization.
You speak a truth here, except that no one needs to agree with you. It simply is so.
When talking about being born again, Jesus was speaking to a Rabbi who came out by himself outside the church walls, set aside his pride, and risked the chastisement of his peers to talk to Jesus. He had to lower himself, not raise himself to a higher consciousness.
Only a Higher State of the awareness of who Jesus was, allowed him to approach Jesus. Pride had nothing to do with it. Humbleness, willingness to learn, had everything to do with it.
But because he was unwilling to miss the truth, which is the second point we agree on, he was willing to take the risk, no matter the consequences.
Yes! Just like many of us here. Again, agreement is not needed.
Can someone show me something that is meaningful to this discussion?
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
From: Electra Sent: 1/29/2005 8:00 AM msg 15 (ibid)
y'all
What alternative wisdom source can you quote? Anyone can criticize. Let me hear something concrete, not just mud slinging at my truth. What does the AG Bible have to say, or Aristotle, or anybody?
If by AG you mean the Aquarian Gospel, it is not a Bible. If you wish to learn what it has to say, read it. What mud slinging are you talking about?
My point yesterday was, I saw Jesus being quoted several times as if he had some credibility. But then when I pointed out that if he wanted us to realize that truth is wherever you find it, he would have said so. But he said many many times just the opposite. No? It was a theme, not a church insert.
Who said Jesus wanted us to realize that truth is wherever you find it? Are you implying that Jesus said the truth is only between a few hundred pages of a book called the Bible, written long after his physical death?
I think thee doth protest too much.
If you are speaking to me, I protest nothing. It appears, however, that you are protesting my statements of truth. Maybe a different wording of the same would allow you to better understand the meaning.
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
From Post: The Most Dangerous of Deceptions (The Christine Church: Chapter 2)
Note: The Aquarian Gospel (AG) is not a Bible and was quoted in this post (The Most Dangerous of Deceptions) by me.
From: Electra Sent: 1/17/2005 2:17 PM msg 23
Ray,
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is the deceiver and an antichrist....So I'll just say good luck.
Electra
That is exactly what I stated about the Orthodox Christians. They claim Jesus was and is God. How then did he come in the flesh as a human? This was a later doctrine they added to cover their deceptions. They decided Jesus was both God and man. That God became man, not man becoming God like. This is at total variance with the Teachings of Jesus, who commanded us all to become perfect, as the Father-God is. Jesus prayed to God (to himself?).
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
From: Electra Sent: 1/31/2005 10:44 AM msg 29
Ray,
What it really boils down to Ray is: You don't believe the "Pauline Bible" is truth. And likewise, I don't see your AG Bible as truth. So we are at each other because we are both trying to save each other from eternal damnation. This is getting really weird.
I never stated any of these things, and it is not my Aquarian Gospel. Have you read the AG? Do you condemn it because someone told you so? Show me the parts of the text you find untrue.
The term you use, "Pauline Bible" is interesting. If you believe it is not of the Christ, but of Paul, why do you believe it? I also use quotes from the Bible to show the truth in the language of the Orthodox believers. Did you not read the opening post?
There is no eternal damnation, and I am NOT trying to save you from anything. My post points out the snares of those who would try and stop a beginning truth seeker from finding truth. The one thing that will keep a Truth Seeker on the path is the burning, unquenchable desire to KNOW and not just believe.
To help you further understand, please read this again, from the opening post:
Of course, Orthodox Christians hate the Aquarian Gospel because it removes their ability to worship the Bible, manipulate others, and feel saved.
Or maybe you would rather see me burn in hell, I don't know. Is it just me, or is this getting so ridiculous, it's funny.
Again, I don't know what you are talking about. No one will burn in hell. I only wish for you, Light, Love, and Freedom.
I asked you one time to say; Jesus is Lord, but I haven't heard you say it yet. Also I asked you to say; Jesus is the one and only anointed Christ and savior. You haven't answered me yet. It seems some of your friends could answer yes. Can you?
Again, are you talking to the right person? I have every post you have made to me, or possibly to me, quoted in this post. I can't find such a post anywhere. What do you mean by my friends? Are you testing me to see if I fit your Orthodox Christian view of what a true Christian is? My observation on that is clearly stated in my thread, Religion vs. Spiritual. Please see it.
That is the crux of my truth. And to teach anything else is steering them away from the One God, the only one true God that loves you. This isn't hate, it's passion for my Creator who happens to also love you, you big dope!!!!
I quote myself again:
They harp about the way to salvation, using the belief that God is Angry and will burn you if you don’t believe as they do. Believe as we do and be saved! This salvation, from an angry god that does not exist, is false. They claim to have a secret knowledge that you can have too if you only believe as they do and become their version of born again. Simply believe that Jesus did exist as the messiah and that Jesus really was his name, and that he died for your sins, was buried, and rose again. Presto! You’re born again! Now that you believe, send in your money! Put your hands on the TV screen and pray for healing! Help us beam this lie around the world! Send your money now!
I'll be back tomorrow to see if you put it in print, and no mincing words.
I'll hurry to meet your time schedule!
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the Anointed Messiah?
NO (I am beyond belief. I know this.)
Did he walk this earth with all truth or was he just another guy...
He was just another guy, who walked the earth with all truth.
...like anyone of us armchair philosophers?
Why do you think of yourself as an armchair philosopher? Do you not live your truth?
Let's talk about Jesus. Electra
It's all I talk about, Him and His teachings.
(Again, she did not reply to any of these posts.)
PLEASE WAKE UP!
Ray of the Light
Dearest Brother Ray,
ReplyDeleteNamaste.
My response to those who believe the Word of God is found only in The Bible, The Q'uran and/or The Torah is to remind them that all of these books speak often of seeking God and often encourage one to seek God. If God were found only in these or one of these Holy Writs, there would be no need for any of them to encourage the seeking of Him and The Word. Therefore, one does not do the command of God by failing to seek outside of those books.
Amen,
Septenary
A Seeker